IEEE P802.18
Radio Regulatory - TAG

[Radio Regulatory Technical Advisory Group Minutes]
Date: 2007-01-18
Author(s):
Name	Company	Address	Phone	Email
Peter Murray	Motorola Inc.	Westfield NJ	908-232-9053	murr153@attglobal.net

These are the minutes of IEEE 802.18 meeting held during the week January 15 – 19, 2007 in London, England.

Chairman Mike Lynch, Vice Chair/Secretary Peter Murray

Quorum attained at: 11:10

Meeting opened at: 11am Monday January 15th.

1. Agenda

Review minutes from the December 2006 Dallas

Subjects for work during this week.

Status of Docs. 18-06-0080 IMT Advanced and 18-06-0077 Reciprocal Voting Rights

Update on TV white spaces FNPRM and 802.22 response

Joint meeting with .22 with editing of: 18-06-0073-00-0000_FCC_TV_cmt_TV_band_R&O_d1.doc

Joint meeting with .16h, .11y (?)

802.18 Radars 5 GHz. (Jan Kruys)

Review of 5600 – 6550 MHz notch out

NZ BWA decision

Final resolution of 60 GHz filing

U.K. Ofcom TV Band Consultation

Any other new business/topics?

A check of voters indicated that a quorum is available and can be assembled.

Motion: To Modify the agenda “Provide regulatory guidance to 802.11n on the use of 40 MHz channels in the 2.4GHz band.’

Move by: Richard Kennedy

Second by: Peter Murray

Discussion: No

Vote: 5 Yes, 0 No, 0Abstain

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This item was added to the Agenda. The time will be set later by the chair.

Motion: To approve the November Dallas meeting minutes.

Move by: John Notor

Second by: Winston Caldwell

Discussion:

Vote: 5Yes, 0 No, 0 Abstain

2. Item
Status of the 18-06-0080-01-0000_IMT_Advanced (Final)-1.doc

This document was approved and passed for distribution as per the November meeting vote.

Lunch: 11:30 12:30

3. Item
Meeting restarts at 12 55.

The white space document draft review, 18-06-0073-00-0000_FCC_TV_cmt_TV_band_R&O_d1.doc was started and presented by John Notor.

Suggested text changes were made during this first read through.

Break for coffee 15:00

Item
Restart meeting 3:25
Guidance to 802.11n in regard to 40 MHz channels in 2.4 GHz.
Richard Kennedy presented.
If there are a sufficient number of regulatory domains that are concerned about such large channel size in the 2.4 GHz it could become an issue of incompatibility to existing use of the Band. The licensed users of the band have strict band edge levels that must be observed.
802.18 will request some input from Ofcom and other regulatory individuals who may be at this meeting.
Richard reported that the Ofcom document UK IR 2006 contained in an informative annex the UK resolutions on this item.

Meeting adjourned for study at 16:20
Tuesday January 16th.
08:00.

AM 1 and AM2 sessions were rescheduled as independent study and follow up periods. The joint meeting with 802.22 on the NPRM white spaces comments.

5 Item
Joint meeting with 802.22 for work on the NPRM White Spaces Comments document
18-06-0073-00-0000_FCC_TV_cmt_TV_band_R&O_d3.doc

The meeting started at 13:30

The secretary suspended the meeting while John Notor, as the editor, copied the contributions from .22 into the master document before discussion started.

The meeting restarted at 14:00.

Version d3 was presented and now includes the input from .22

John started to read through the document and from time to time edits to spelling and grammar were made.

In paragraph 13 there was discussion and some disagreement on the inclusion of wording about “Personable Portable Devices”.

The chair will take note that there will be a discussion on this subject within .18 later in the course of the weeks’ meetings. The subject is left open.

The reading and small edits continued starting at paragraph 14.

Clarification to the meaning of paragraph 16 was made in a discussion to Licensed or Unlicensed operations.

In the following paragraph numbers 16 – 21 editing to clarify some of the points were made.

In further paragraphs, 21 - 28 editing to clarify meanings and correcting calculations and levels were made.

The meeting was recessed at 15:30 and will reconvene PM2 in the 802.18 meeting room, Lancaster.

The meeting reconvened at 16:00.

Starting at paragraph 30 Winston suggested that we await input from Gerald Chouinard on some of the paragraphs on this subject.
Editing from paragraph 31 continued. Discussion on the need to ensure that the Part 74 devices are licensed by the users.

Editing for clarity continued through paragraph 80.

The meeting was recessed until the PM 1 on Wednesday at the joint 802.18 and .22 meeting.

The output document is: 18-06-0073-00-0000_FCC_TV_cmt_TV_band_R&O_3a.doc

The evening meeting commenced at 19:45

Item
IMT Advance requirement (IMTS 1)
The intent is to have a hierarchy of Networks.

The 802 Chair had suggested that there should be a meeting of the Wireless Chairs to discuss whether or not there is interest in 4G from any of the Working Group Chairs.
The requirements for this 4G have not yet been enumerated by the ITU-R. There is however work in
M1645-02003-06 (8F) shows a future network beyond IMT-2000

It is a suggestion that the 802 Wireless could put together a requirements document that covers all the working groups and would thus become an 802 contribution.
This activity would be worked within the ITU-R in the next few years. In 2008 there is an intent for the ITU-R to request proposals (after meeting 24 or 25) Then consensus building to be realized by 2009 for the WRC in 2011. This would include future and potential technologies.

IMT meeting schedule currently stands as:

Year Meeting #

2007 21	22

2008 23 24 25

2009 26 27 28

2010 29 30 31
2011 32 33 34 WRC is scheduled for 2011

The next issue is to discuss if Harmonization between the 802 Wireless groups can and if so how to coordinate.
There should also be consideration for allowing the WG chairs have reciprocal voting rights in each others group.

Initial conclusion is that there will be a joint 802 wide requirements document.

A review of M.1645 was suggested. (question229/8) (For ITU-R and TIES members this document is available)

A review was then given.
The 1st. part is for a new wireless access technology and is required to be in the proposal for 2009.

2nd part of the requirement is for the new interfaces and interworking.

Motion 1:

Straw pole: To Does 802 want to submit an input on IMT requirements to ITU-R WP8F?

Move by: Jose	Puthenkulam

Second by: Brian Kieruin

Discussion:

Vote: 10 Yes, 0 No, 2 Abstain

19 in room

Concern was voiced that there could be delays in putting out a joint document should one WG be ready now and others are not.

802.16 was asked by the chair if they could provide a short summary including system diagrams from the M1645 to allow him to add it to his notes to the 802 EC.
After much clarification discussion the meeting was adjourned at 21:40

Attendance:

802.11	1
802.16	10

802.18	5
802.19	1

(Notes made but not acted upon.

Motion 2

Straw pole: When will we submit if answer to 1 is yes.(would this be a a harmonized view or simply a list of requirements or something else)?

Move by:

Second by:

Discussion:

Vote: Yes, No, Abstain

Motion 3

Straw pole: How should the work be done? Should it be done in the various WGs and then presented in 802.18 for Harmonization/consolidation?

Move by:

Second by:

Discussion:

Vote: Yes, No, Abstain

motion 4

Straw pole: Can the WGs be more specific in their requirements and characteristics and share their views and work to harmonize the joint overview around the interworking?

Move by:

Second by:

Discussion:

Vote: Yes, No, Abstain

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The meeting resumed at 08:00 Wednesday January 17th.

7 Item

Issue 5 GHz Weather Radars and possible notch out of 5600 – 5650 MHz
Jan Kruys gave a presentation on the concern by various administrations on the potential interference and some known events.

This presentation is on the 802.18 web site. WFA-RLANs and weather radars at 5 GHz-r3a.ppt

Reports from various sources about in Europe of RLAN interference into Radars. Some RLANs have the DFS disabled and hence interference.

Finland had interference from 40 MHz away (?) possibly due to design.

Weather Radar in Canada is todays subject along with Australia that has also forbidden RLAN in Radar band. Japan also has other restrictions.

The next step will be a meeting by some companies with Industry Canada to discuss possible regulatory solutions.

This subject will also be moving towards ITU-R actions leading to the WRC in 2010(?)

The meeting recessed at 10:00.

AM 2 session is independent studies as some members will be attending WG mid week plenary

8	Item
Meeting started at 13:30

Joint meeting with 802.22 for work on the NPRM White Spaces Comments document
18-06-0073-00-0000_FCC_TV_cmt_TV_band_R&O_d3a.doc (continued)

The meeting was called to order and after a sidebar discussion by the chairs and editor it was agreed to recess the joint meeting and move to the 802.18 meeting room to continue the edits.

Recess at 13: 50.

The 802.18 meeting reconvened at 14:05.

The editor continued with the above document starting at Paragraph 80.

Members of 802.22 attended the meeting to assist in the editing the technical input.

Work continued through paragraph 92

The document was revised to: 18-06-0073-00-0000_FCC_TV_cmt_TV_band_R&O_d4.doc

A motion was made as below at 13:18

Motion: That 802.18 sets a closing period for comments by other groups by the end of the current PM1 session.

Move by: Ivan Reede

Second by: Carl Stevenson

Discussion: None

Vote: 6Yes, 0 No, 0 Abstain

___________________________________________________________________________________________

The meeting was recessed at 15:30

The PM2 session was declared for independent study to allow members to attend other meetings.
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Thursday January 18th.

The meeting resumed at 08:00

The editing of 18-06-0073-00-0000_FCC_TV_cmt_TV_band_R&O_d4.doc

The final points being discussed relate to the Personal Portable devices.

The final edited document 18-06-0073-00-0000_FCC_TV_cmt_TV_band_R&O_d5.doc was released

And will be the revision voted upon later today for release to the FCC by the comment date.

Meeting recessed at 10:00

The AM2 session was declared for independent study to allow members to attend other meetings.

The meeting restarted at: 13:30

Quorum was achieved at 13:40 (10 present from 19 possible voters)

The first item at this session was the presentation of the revised FCC FNPRM 18-06-0073-00-0000_d5

The editor indicated the changes made to the document at the morning session.
Edits were requested in Paragraph 10, 12, 13 and approved.

Motion: That the TAG authorize the RRTAG Chair to request permission from the EC to make a presentation to the FCC
Move by: Carl Stevenson

Second by: Ivan Reede

Discussion: None

Vote: 8Yes, 0 No, 1 Abstain ___________________________________________________________________________________________

The chair reviewed the work done during the week and commented on the items shown in the opening agenda.

The meeting was closed at 14:45

Attendees:

Mike	Lynch
John	Notor
Peter	Murray
Winston	Caldwell
Telma	Alencar
Richard	Kennedy
Ivan	Reede

The next meeting is the plenary meeting in Orlando March 2007

January 2007	doc.: IEEE 802.18-07/0003r0

Submission	page 1	Peter Murray, Motorola

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Abstract

These are the minutes of 802.18 held during the week January 15 – 19, 2007 in London, England.

doc.: IEEE 802.18-07-0003_RR-TAG_Minutes_Jan07

Submission

January 2007

Peter Murray, Motorola

Peter Murray

2007-01-18

Motorola